This shit is sadly genetic,even tho nobody in my family ik started this early.
I will also be prob one of 2 ppl in my whole family that will be fully bald if I wont do anything bout it.
(One of my uncles is fully bald)
Hi its me again.
I just wanna ask what I must tell the dermatologist abt my hairloss.
I mean it the way like,do I need to know what Im allergic or not,or what I used BEFORE trying to stop hairloss.
Also,is it possible to grow my hair long (like cobainâs hairlenght) bc I always wanted to have long hair atleast once in my life and Im asking you if it will be harder for stuff like minoxidil to work.
Also,will it be possible to keep my hair till like my mid 30âs or longer? Bc I prob have aggressive hairloss,like you said in one of your comments,and it will be hard to recover it or prevent it.
Based on your acne in your forehead i assume your diet isnt well optimized bro
@Kuba Ignore this guy, lots of ignorant statements. AGA can start any time after puberty. Scalp massages and rosemary are not meaningfully effective unless you have no other options. âcook you from the insideâ is too foolish to deserve a response, but I agree 15 year olds shouldnât be on Fin - the endocrine axis (HPT axis, growth, sexual maturation) is still stabilizing. Suppressing DHT chronically in mid-puberty is not a trivial choice. You could consider mesotheraputic Dutasteride but are unlikely to find a practitioner in the US that would help much there. You should rule out deficiencies, endocrine disorders and autoimmune issues, but those wouldnât present as patterned loss.
Ok, letâs analyze your post, mr.tarzan 
. I appreciate your effort to help people but your post is bullSHIT my man, yeah with capital âshitâ.
This is statement is bullshit. Topical minoxidil goes systemic to only a small extent which means it can only irritate your skin if you are sensitive to alcohol in it and cannot do much otherwise and second that finasteride apart from rare and perhaps questionable occurences of PFS etc. is approved by FDA for treatment of AGA. If you donât trust FDA, then knowing that DHT is the primary causor of MPB and that finasteride inhbitis steroid 5-alpha-reductase type II responsible for the existence of roughly 70% DHT through conversion of T to DHT should be alone on its own. Or in layman terms, you plug the hole from where water leaks through with finasteride and regrow what you lost with minoxidil. ALSO, I DID NOT RECOMMEND FINASTERIDE FOR A 15 YEAR OLD AND THAT TOLD HIM TO SEE A DERM FOR TOPICAL MINOXIDIL AS IT IS NOT SUITABLE FOR PEOPLE OF <18 AGE. Thus, this part of your response is certified bullshit.
LOL what the fuck 
. Bro there are tons of otherwise healthy people who go bald every damn year. I just got my blood tests done, everything is fine yet I am diffusing at 20. Literally all dermatologists will ask you whether you have MPB on your family first before diagnosing you with AGA. If not all then the majority. Rosemary oil is too fucking weak for AGA, and keep in mind it also lowers blood pressure just like minoxidil because it acts in the same damn way, just because it is ânaturalâ does not mean that it has the same effectiveness but with less side effects, nope! Dermaroller on its own is like minoxidil on its own, perhaps more powerful but at the end of the day DHT will win the struggle and you will go bald without finasteride/dutasteride. You should consider getting on them obviously always with a dermâs prescription if you tolerate them well, are healthy and endorcinologically mature of a person with age>18.
MPB can be triggered at any time after puberty. No, it has LITTLE to do with the environment. Vitamin D may be a natural DHT inhibitor but keep in mind that it alone wonât save your ass if you are genetically predisposed for AGA. Low vitamin D cannot caused hair loss if it manifests in MPB/AGA pattern canNOT be reversed without minoxidil usually, it is thus naturally irreversible. Eating liver has nothing to do with balding. Hair loss due in the context of iodine deficiency is related to thyroid diseases that manifest in more symptoms than just hair loss alone. I do not know what selenium has to do with balding, have never heard it from healthcare professionals or tressless members here but it likely has nothing to do with AGA given the bullshit you posted here. Forward head posture has very little if any at all to do with balding my man, little to none, it is irrelevant.
"Acne has nothing to with balding 
" Yes it fucking has! I had a shit diet in my childhood yet had none of it but have it now, why? Due to androgens like T and DHT, though primary responsible typically is DHT. The very fucking fact that he has acne likely means it is AGA as DHT is the almost sole reason of AGA, no DHT=no AGA. Keep in mind some men have elevated DHT yet may never go bald due to inherent low sensitivity of their hair follicles to DHT, however for the vast majority of people high DHT=hair loss.
Your post is certified bullshit my man. DM me to receive your certificate of bullshittery 
. Return back to where you had come for the godâs sake, this is not some place of normies with NW0 hairline. Only people who had not dealt with any hair loss would believe your bullshit.
*for legal reasons, I do NOT insult you, just your post.
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1)You must tell EVERYTHING related to your hair loss to a proper dermatologist. Do NOT even ask that question for godâs sake. 2)You can grow your hair long, but foam likely wonât work. You would need probably speaking minoxidil in its liquid solution form with a dropper, so that it will be dropped via a dropper to reach hair roots. If it does not reach hair roots, it will be useless. You alternatively could go oral minoxidil route though keep in mind that you should go see a dermatologist for both options but especially for oral minoxidil since you are a minor. 3)Yes you can keep your hair to 30s or longer if you hop on anti-DHT medications with a dermatologistâs prescription and recommendation once you are endocrinologically mature, but keep in mind that you will LOSE ground to that point unfortunately. The lost ground can be probably recovered with a hair transplant. You may also need a topical anti-androgen (choose one that is FDA approved if possible under the supervision of a dermatologist, not RU58841 for instance.) given your aggressive balding. 4)You must understand that even with Dutasteride, LDOM, Topical Anti-androgens, Dermarolling etc. type of all combined nuclear stacks, you may not win the battle against balding. You must be ready to shave it all of, this is what I have in my mind if the meds end up not working. I wonât bullshit you, life will be harder, eg. girls wonât be interested in you and that people may be weirded by the fact you lost your hair that early but that wonât be the end of your life, you have to move on and once you move on your likelihood of succeeding in life will increase. Do not also listen to @Iamtarzan, he is wrong in pretty much everything he had written here.
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Sup
I had an appoitment with trichologist (same one again) for some kind of mesotherapy.
Its been 2 days since I had it,but she used some kind of electric smt that is suppossed to excite dying hair to grow again and other kinds of stuff (sorry I dont rly know how to translate most of them)
Iâve been for a month straight on those conditioners and shampoos she told me to use (its been a month so I aint suprised I cant see any results)
She told me tho that on next appointment with her she will be teaming up with some trichologist/dermatologist that is able to prescribe stuff like minoxidil or finasteride so.
Just wanted to give u an update abt new stuff and other stuff :).
go see a real fucking derm for the godsake. you are receding at 15 and acting as if you are elvis presley. ditch that trichologist they are not real doctors. i dont mean that you should hop on fin at 15, just be very cautious and at extreme alert.
ps: I am not mean at you or insulting you, this is just my language. apologize if offended you.
Its hard as fuck to convince my mom to sign me up.
Im alr starting to wonder if I should book an appoitment on my own,but idk if its possible.
I regret telling them to book me to a trichologist bc I though hes better
ahh man. at least i had lived my high school years not wondering about hairloss. you are barely a freshman and have to deal with this shiiiit and have to convince your mom. even then you cannot take fin/dut, most likely. genearlly speaking, you got a pretty shit hand dealt with in life, but statistically speaking it is unlikely that it will be the same for career/academic stuff etc. ahead of you. i wish i could help you as you are barely in high school, but i dont have benjamins lying around for derm appointment. maybe try telemedicine? it could help 
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Avoid fin unless youâre cleared by an endocrinologist. Youâre 15, more than likely still going thru puberty, in which case fin would impair development.
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Hello.
(For now) I went to a doctor that specializes in thyroid (somone called like this) and she told my mother that it will be better idea to start going to dermatologist than trichologist.
Also did the bloodwork done (again) and for now Im waiting for results.
Just wanted to let u know that I might be on better path than before.
Im still using the stuff that was prescribed by the trichologist tho (not many changes).
Also,is it normal to lose more hair while taking hot showers? (Abt 40°) Bc I could see tens on them on my hands and fingers,and just wanted to be sure.
Thats it for now.
The good feeling of a hot shower is inversely proportional to the good feeling of running your hands through your hair.
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kuba, as far as I am aware trichologists are not legal doctors and cannot prescribe medicinies, so it is great that you get to see a dermatologist. also great you get your thyroid checked, it may cause hair loss. t3, t4 and tsh levels should be normal to rule that risk out. the thing with dermatologists is that they just as we do know the medicines. fin/dut and min, this honestly is it but the real problem is whether you are endocrinologically mature or not. this is the real bugging problem. you can get on fin/dut at 15, and I honestly would have gotten ASAP at that moment since that is also when my hair loss began, but cannot recommend other people eg you to really do it. my advice would be to see an endocrinologist to assess your development. if the damn ru58841 was approved by the fda, doctors could have prescribed it to you as it has minimal systemic impact when applied correctly on healthy scalp skin, it would be perfect for you, a topical anti-androgen that does not go systemic. once you were 18, you could have gotten on fin or dut that ways but shame it is not possible. you ask is it normal to lose more hair while taking hot showers, i donât know, as long as your hair loss is not noticable or manifesting in norwood pattern then you are probably good to go though, if that does not occur with cold showers then it may not be important. maybe hair is getting weaker due to DHT and hot showers make it easy to fall out thus, something that also happened with me, I could pull thinning regionsâ hair more easily than regions with good hair eg. donor area. But again I donât know. Take photos of your scalp at identical conditions every week and compare if possible.
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For now I think Im not gonna ask my Mom abt going to ANOTHER doctor bc for now Im happy that she atleast wants to book me to dermatologist.I also still gotta wait for that bc Im gonna have to wait till the results from bloodwork will be done.
Im just happy that I manage to convince her for that.
TL;DR: see an endocrinologist too, but keep your expectations low, fin/dut still wonât be prescribed to you due to pubertal maturation related concerns, as I suppose you are not tanner V yet. also your follicles may be sensitive given the lack of your hair growth on arms in the 1st photo but apparent balding, if this is the case you may lose that hair even on finasteride. dutasteride may be used as a last resort off-label once you are endocrinologically mature (maybe, I donât know whether it could be given to under 18). Or at 18 most definitely. Though dut may also not save you, this is something I hope that is NOT true. I sincerely, sincerely hope. Dut seems to work for me as I had high DHT given my facial hair growth at 15 and arm hair, but you have none yet you have hair loss. Low DHT, Extremely high sensitivity (eg balding in 15) is a nightmare scenario for AGA patients. I WOULD ADIVSE YOU TO DISCUSS THIS IN DETAIL WITH A DERMATOLOGIST. AGAIN, DISCUSS THIS, THAT IS MY FEAR. I am inclined to believe that you may need an aggressive stack of 1-1.5mg of dutasteride and even maybe ru58841, though ru58841 is risky even if it works and wonât recommend it at all. I hope gt20029 and breezula comes asap, if you have AGA (which I assume) that will be like a breath of fresh air to you when combined with dut, both of each (breezula and gt20029) could even work standalone though.
WHY THE FUCK GOD GIVES THIS SHIT SO YOUNG IS ALSO SOMETHING I HAVE NO IDEA. YOUR ONLY HOPE IS TO HOP ON FIN/DUT AT 15 BUT FUCK UP YOUR PUBERTY THEN. OR TOPICAL RU58841 BUT THAT IS ALSO NOT SAFE, ESP. FOR PROBABLY <18.
You should in all reality see an endocrinologist too my man. If you are cleared by an endocrinologist you may hop on finasteride earlier, if not then unfortunately not. Please also steer away from ânaturalâ treatments eg. saw palmetto. They work in the same way as finasteride/dutasteride and can hinder your pubertal maturation, though to a lesser extent proportional to its effectiveness against balding (AGA). In laymanâs terms they are useless and do what fin/dut does but way worse. I also would advise you to get a hair microscope to look at your hair in close, why because even if you hop on fin, you may need to move to dut. Sometimes due to overproduction of DHT or underlying sensitivity to of your follicles to DHT, finasteride may not be enough. You should imho also check for signs of thinning once every week with it. Expensive ones like those worth hunderds or thousands, no you donât need them. They are medical grade, cheaper ones would also do the trick typically. They are available on amazon. Check for any miniaturization or thinning of hair.
I also re-viewed your photos. You seem to have peach fuzz at best type of arm hair in first photos you posted. I suppose your body has less hair too on average compared to an adult male. This to me means that you are not endocrinolgoically mature yet, that is below tanner V and well fin/dut is unlikely to be given to you. Very, very unfortunately. Since body hair growth is dependent upon DHT to a great extent, we may be able to formulate on how sensitive your follicles are my man. Scalp though is an area where DHT production is high to my knowledge and unfortunately for me I donât know whether it goes systemic or not, prob. not though. If you are really balding, it does not necessarily mean that you have high DHT in your serum. Serum DHT =/= Scalp DHT, but they may be correlated to an extent nevertheless. What I mean is, if you have low DHT in your body but hair loss, drugs may not halt it 100%. Remember, dutasteride only reduces 92% of hair follicle DHT, the metric that matters. So, keep an eye on that. Your follicles may be sensitive in an unfrotunate scenario. The remaining 8% may keep fucking up the remaining follicles, though this is nothing but SPECULATION. You may have some bloodwork-related problems, or some other stuff that may cause this. Maybe your DHT is high and your receptors are not sensitive, so the drugs will do the job. Who knows.
ps: 92% reduction of hair follicle DHT is also the same as the 92% reduction of serum DHT for dutasteride. Maybe your follicles are sensitive, I donât know. I hope they are not as otherwise not even dut may end up working. This is the article below, send a mail to elsevier and tell them that you are an AGA patient, you will get a free copy if you are interested. If I post it here, I can get maybe sued or whatever. In this article, by month 3 the DHT was reduced by 92% on hair follicles by dutasteride. This is the only study that I am aware of that measured intrafollicular DHT reduction value.
Thank you.
If the dermatologist tells me to go to the endeâŠ.,I will try to do.
Also,tbh arms are the only places on my entire body that still have those normal hairs,other parts,like legs,face,torso and even feet are hairy asf.
Idk if this is aggressive hairloss or not,bc looking at my family history my uncle had prob same hairloss,and kept his hair till 30âs (now hes bald in mid 40âs).
Im not hyping out cus of that,bc I have straight A1 hair and his are curly,idk if the hair type also means,from who u got the âbalding gene* from.
Idk if its good idea tho to try other drugs that arent verified yet,so im still gonna think bout the common ones fin,dut.
Oh,also when I was at the trichologist,she used that thingy that could check your hair follicles,and Im supposedly only losing them in the corners (foe now) ,bc my crown looked good (it might be a double whorl bc my dad also has one).
IMPORTANT UPDATE: Kuba, please Refer to this article and discuss using topical finasteride at an extremely low concentration with a doctor. It seems that finasteride at low concentrations is still effective against hair loss but it appears to NOT go systemic at least at an extent far less than what is commonly available eg. 0.1% or 0.3% concentrations. You may be eligible to hop on topical finasteride. This is not a medical advice, however it is absolutely worth giving a look in my belief.
Refer my other post here where I discuss topical finasteride:
Tbh its pretty funny bc I also wanted to do update the same day lol.
I havenât been to the dermatologist yet,BUT Iâve been to the endocrinologist.
And uh,it is proved 100% that its indeed genetic balding 
.
Also found out that I have smt called hashimoto (some kind of sickness but to maleâs its supposedly safe).
Thats it tbh for now,for now im discussing with my mom to which dermatologist I should go to.
(Also,how did u find time to comment to all of these comments and make huge explonations,lol.)
Thats it for now
I typically take no longer than 5-10 minutes for each comment and that is at the very veery best
But, I, who is a stranger to you like 99.99% of people here are not people whom can be relied upon forever. Nor your dermatologist. You have to understand that the AGA is a chronic treatment and once a solution of treatment eg. finasteride is found, you have to stick to it if it is deemed safe for you. You can take blood tests, check hormone levels and monitor your libido/neurology etc. You need to also learn how to find research yourself analyze the materials etc. this is NOT a short-term battle, it is life-long. You can shave it off, but then would have to deal with being bald for the rest of your life . I cannot legally recommend you to take any medicine yourself but you must understand that you cannot over-rely upon doctors or dermatologists forever.
ps:this take me 2 minutes to write. 1.5 minutes for the base text + 30 seconds for a small update.